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My dog is 2 and just got the Bordetella nasal...

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4 Nov 2010

My dog is 2 and just got the Bordetella nasal vaccine 11 days ago. About 2 or 3 days after the vaccine he began coughing/wheezing and a few days later it progressed to some retching and vomiting. He is now on antibiotics and metoclopramide. Will he be ok and how long will it take for him to feel better?_
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4 Nov 2010
Dr. BJ Hughes
Dr. BJ Hughes

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Hi there -- Welcome to Just Answer,

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Has your dog received an intranasal bordetella vaccination before?

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

we adopted him through a rescue society about a month ago. we asked about his vaccination status, and when they got back to us they said they did not have any record of anything other than him being neutered

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

so i don't think so

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Ok -- this can happen -- particularly with the first vacciantion. Because the vaccine is a modified live vaccine, it can grow in the nasal cavity. Typically, the symptoms are very mild.

Dr. BJ Hughes :

The other possibility is that your dog may have been exposed before the vaccine was given. So coverage was not there.

Dr. BJ Hughes :

This should not keep you from giving a future vaccination when due.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

That's what I'm thinking may have happened. I am an RN and i know that for people, if it was a side effect of the vaccine, it should only last about 72 hrs

Dr. BJ Hughes :

The vaccine strain will grow and cause a minor infection -- which is how it give protection. It stimulates the immune system with a mild infection.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

I am just so worried about him.


I had a dog that died of IMHA and subsequently heart failure, in may of this year, so I hear Charlie coughing and it scares me so much :(

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Actually -- it is not really a side effect

Dr. BJ Hughes :

But rather -- a bit of a complication-- as the immune system did not keep the vaccine strain growth in check or the strain was a little more viruent.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

ooh. Ok

Dr. BJ Hughes :

(sorry -- virulent)

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

He got all checked out, xrays and bloodwork. Everything grossly normal

Dr. BJ Hughes :

This will run its course as the disease -- generally 7-10 days (mightbe shorter as it is milder).

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

just the cough/wheeze and retching. Clavaseptin, metoclopramide, and a probiotic for his upset gut.

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Anither thought -- there are actually a number of bacteria and viruses that go together to cause kennel cough. So it might even be one of the ones that we cannot vaccinate for.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

It's already been 9 days of coughing. I guess what I'm asking is, is it going to get better? I fear the worst

Dr. BJ Hughes :

It should be getting better -- also -- since it has been 8 days, a chest x ray may be warranted if respiratory noises are present on auscultation.

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Or if it is getting worse -- just to rule out any pneumonia or heart issues.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

he just had a chest xray yesterday. Was totally normal. And I do think he has improved a bit

Dr. BJ Hughes :

This was the right step ==

Dr. BJ Hughes :

That is very good.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

he seems to cough more with exercise, excitement, and at night. Is this normal? Sorry to ask so many questions :S

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Not sure why the immune system is not covering this -- but I am not too worried. This is all normal. No problem for the question;-)

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

Ok great. I feel a bit better. I hear him cough and think it sounds the very same as when my poor dexter (cocker spaniel) went into pulmonary edema and died as a result of IMHA and heart failure

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Night time tends to be worse -- are you using a cough medication --- or is it necessary to get rest?

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

the worst experience ever...as I'm sure you can imagine.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

um we are not using a cough medication

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

we are resting him more. Just short walks for bathroom breaks

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

is Clavaseptin a good antibiotic for this? I believe it is cephalexin

Dr. BJ Hughes :

You can use Dextromethoraphan -- (Robitussin DM) .5- 1 mg per pound every 8 hours.

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Also -- if not using the dextromethorphan, you can use benedryl which helps with drainage and inflammation in general (dosage is up to 1 mg per pound every 12 hours.)

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

oh really? I never thought of that. I will try it. Thank you. He is only having a few episodes per day and per night. And I suppose I need to give the antibiotics time to work. It's hard not to panic when they can't talk to you

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Clavaseptin is a amoxiciliin/clavulonic acid --- probably our first choice -- that or doxycycline.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

ok great. That's reassuring

Dr. BJ Hughes :

It is very hard to treat with antibiotics -- sits on top of tracheal cells and does not get blood contact (the bacteria that is). So this is more for secondary infection.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

Oh ok. Kind of like people with pneumonia secondary to influenza?

Dr. BJ Hughes :

I am much more reassured after you mentioned the x ray ---

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Yes

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

So it's really just time. Great.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

You would expect, then, given the normal xray and bloodwork, that he will be feeling progressively better in the next few days?

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Time and symptomatic treatment. I would love to say this will improve in few days -- however, a bad case of a virulent strain (if he was infected prior to vaccination and not a vaccine strain) might last up to 21 days -- so hang in there. It should not get worse though.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

ok. So we might be looking at another 10 days or so...fiar enough. I feel much better. The problem is, our vet was more concerned with the vomiting...Charlie will cough freely at home but not ONCE at the vet's office!

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

so the vet hasn't heard the coughing at all

Dr. BJ Hughes :

ok --- it is very common for dogs with coughing to have retching --- then a vomiting (single event). So this doesn't surprise me. I am assuming this is the case here -- or is the vomiting occuring after the cough -- or by itself and is it in single events or is it ongoing?

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

nope just once. With coughing

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

he went kinda bonkers...coughing so much then outside gobbling up leaves and grass

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

then vomited

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

definitely related to the coughing

Dr. BJ Hughes :

this is not atypical at all -- so that may ease your mind. If the vomiting gets more frequent or diarrhea develops, there may be another cause.

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

ok, thank you. I am quite sure the vomiting episode was related to coughing. No diarrhea at all

<span class="JA_chatAuthorName"Customer:

When he tries to eat leaves and such, should I let him? Or stop him?

Dr. BJ Hughes :

Very good -- you are most welcome. Try to stop the leaf eating and the like. While digestable -- it can be difficult on the gastrointestinal tract!

Dr. BJ Hughes : I hope this information helps!
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